Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

March 1, 2011

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

A couple of weeks ago, Mark Edington of the Delphi R&D team shared an image of a familiar IDE targeting Win64.

A couple of weeks ago, Mark Edington of the Delphi R&D team shared an image of a familiar IDE targeting Win64. But since that passed a little unnoticed, I thought about sharing it here as well. The original post is on yfrog at http://yfrog.com/gy5czjp.

posted by marcocantu @ 9:43PM | 7 Comments [0 Pending]

7 Comments

Looks a Delphi Producing Win64 Applications

I like that you can see both 64 and 32 bit targets
side by side in the project manager. I hope that's
also the case in the version we get our hands on.

Comment by Lachlan Gemmell on March 1, 23:00

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

It hadn't gone unnoticed Marco. I suspect people 
don't want to tempt fate and "scare it off"... 

Despite all the setbacks, I still hold out hope for a 
first version this September. We have lost a lot of 
potential business over the last 2 or 3 years because 
of the continual pushback of D64 - due solely to 
memory address space. 

As we won't get any official comment until closer to 
the yearly release and anybody on a field beta will 
be under an NDA, we'll just have to sit tight and 
hope for the best. I really don't want to think about 
another release going by without it continaing 64 bit 
though.

Comment by PAul on March 2, 09:19

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

Really nice screenshot!
Hypothesis from 
http://delphihaters.blogspot.com/
of no VCL development on win64 platform (only new
UCL-KSDEV components) seems to be wrong as I can see a
single .dfm file targeting both win32 and win64
platform or am I wrong?

Comment by Domenico Mammola [http://www.atomos.it] on March 2, 09:49

DelphiHaters isn't worth reading

DelphiHaters only spreads FUD about Delphi.  I fail to
understand why anyone would spend so much time
spreading their dislike of a product.  There are lots
of computer products I don't like, but I don't waste
my time griping about them (or reading others gripes).
 I've got better things to do with my time.

Allen Bauer has said publicly that there will be full
64-bit support in the VCL and that many VCL
applications will compile in 64-bit with few, if any,
changes.

Listen to the recent audio podcasts at
http://delphi.org/2011/01/44-allen-bauer/ and
http://delphi.org/2011/02/45-allen-bauer/

Comment by Jon Robertson on March 2, 18:51

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

Thanks for the good news Jon! I'll try to listen to
the podcasts even if my spoken English is not so good.

We really need a 64 bit compiler and a 64 bit version
of VCL.
We are working hard to keep working our production
supply chain manufacturing 32 bit applications with a
constantly growing amount of data.

We love Delphi but we are a bit scared about the
future of Delphi (as our future depends on it), this
is why I read every bit of information about the
future of Delphi even if coming from a griping mouth :-)

Comment by Domenico Mammola [http://www.atomos.it] on March 3, 09:47

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

Even if not much noticed, that's surely one of the 
best news in the last months. Also being able to 
target the two Windows platforms easily is surely a 
must because the transition from 32 to 64 bit will 
take some time.
Thinking that the VCL won't be ported to 64 bit 
Windows is pretty stupid. The RTL has to be ported 
anyway, whatever widget set Delphi uses. And of 
course without being able to port their applications, 
I guess most developers wouldn't like a Delphi 64 
with a new widget set and no compatibility. It is 
also much faster to upgrade the VCL (MS designed W64 
APIs to be not so different from W32), than writing a 
new framework from scratch, KSDEV can be a starting 
point but it was a one man company with an 
interesting but buggy library - it wasn't Qt.

Comment by Luigi D. Sandon on March 3, 14:53

Looks Like Delphi is Producing Win64 Applications

Demenico ... Yes ... What I remember from the EMB 
forum there is no 64-bit IDE in the meaning of you 
don't have a 64-bit mode it is a cross compile to 
Win64bit on one codebase. At least I would have read 
the information provided this way. Anyone who has 
deeper insight please correct me.

From my observations I would say the word spoken or 
written still match reallity and the evolution process 
follows the roadmap. So this picture is not of the 
same quality we had last years with the Linux and OS/X 
target that did not reach beta.

The picture imho does not show more than a 32bit 
programm on a Win32 and a tree node with 64bit build 
target enabled.

I also have trust EMB will make it. The Roadmap still 
shows a 2 years process with a milstone 64-bit for 
Delphi this fall (assuming the release month are 
almost the same)

The Delphihater is not this bad - his message is a 
more business related message but with arguments on 
the technical level. This has its reasons, but makes 
the whole blog little hard to understand. Don't damn 
this man ... also if he is not always correct, because 
he/she (I don't know) has deserved a lot. The message 
on the more technical level is more or less - 

a) don't rely on Delphi and third parties and await 
that such a combination will outperform more likely 
approaches - for example Web (think back a few years 
...)

b) Be careful when choosing third-parties because the 
risk is still that the moment the source code goes out 
of the house .... copy .... copy ...

If his/her way of argumentation is helpful ... is 
another story. What we maybe see as offence is from 
his/her point a it is a warning ... and he is not only 
active in the context of former Borland products:).

If it is wise in general to use what biggest vendors 
ship ... I would not be here if I would believe that 
MS is the developers friend nor I do believe Apple is 
it. Wolves are very corteous when they want to attract 
people and are willing to give away every sole for 5ct 
if there is one licence more to sell.

Mike/Bunny

Comment by Michael Thuma on March 4, 21:41

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