March 1, 2011
A couple of weeks ago, Mark Edington of the Delphi R&D team shared an image of a familiar IDE targeting Win64.
A couple of weeks ago, Mark Edington of the Delphi R&D team shared an image of a familiar IDE targeting Win64. But since that passed a little unnoticed, I thought about sharing it here as well. The original post is on yfrog at http://yfrog.com/gy5czjp.
I like that you can see both 64 and 32 bit targets side by side in the project manager. I hope that's also the case in the version we get our hands on.
It hadn't gone unnoticed Marco. I suspect people don't want to tempt fate and "scare it off"... Despite all the setbacks, I still hold out hope for a first version this September. We have lost a lot of potential business over the last 2 or 3 years because of the continual pushback of D64 - due solely to memory address space. As we won't get any official comment until closer to the yearly release and anybody on a field beta will be under an NDA, we'll just have to sit tight and hope for the best. I really don't want to think about another release going by without it continaing 64 bit though.
Really nice screenshot! Hypothesis from http://delphihaters.blogspot.com/ of no VCL development on win64 platform (only new UCL-KSDEV components) seems to be wrong as I can see a single .dfm file targeting both win32 and win64 platform or am I wrong?
DelphiHaters only spreads FUD about Delphi. I fail to understand why anyone would spend so much time spreading their dislike of a product. There are lots of computer products I don't like, but I don't waste my time griping about them (or reading others gripes). I've got better things to do with my time. Allen Bauer has said publicly that there will be full 64-bit support in the VCL and that many VCL applications will compile in 64-bit with few, if any, changes. Listen to the recent audio podcasts at http://delphi.org/2011/01/44-allen-bauer/ and http://delphi.org/2011/02/45-allen-bauer/
Thanks for the good news Jon! I'll try to listen to the podcasts even if my spoken English is not so good. We really need a 64 bit compiler and a 64 bit version of VCL. We are working hard to keep working our production supply chain manufacturing 32 bit applications with a constantly growing amount of data. We love Delphi but we are a bit scared about the future of Delphi (as our future depends on it), this is why I read every bit of information about the future of Delphi even if coming from a griping mouth :-)
Even if not much noticed, that's surely one of the best news in the last months. Also being able to target the two Windows platforms easily is surely a must because the transition from 32 to 64 bit will take some time. Thinking that the VCL won't be ported to 64 bit Windows is pretty stupid. The RTL has to be ported anyway, whatever widget set Delphi uses. And of course without being able to port their applications, I guess most developers wouldn't like a Delphi 64 with a new widget set and no compatibility. It is also much faster to upgrade the VCL (MS designed W64 APIs to be not so different from W32), than writing a new framework from scratch, KSDEV can be a starting point but it was a one man company with an interesting but buggy library - it wasn't Qt.
Demenico ... Yes ... What I remember from the EMB forum there is no 64-bit IDE in the meaning of you don't have a 64-bit mode it is a cross compile to Win64bit on one codebase. At least I would have read the information provided this way. Anyone who has deeper insight please correct me. From my observations I would say the word spoken or written still match reallity and the evolution process follows the roadmap. So this picture is not of the same quality we had last years with the Linux and OS/X target that did not reach beta. The picture imho does not show more than a 32bit programm on a Win32 and a tree node with 64bit build target enabled. I also have trust EMB will make it. The Roadmap still shows a 2 years process with a milstone 64-bit for Delphi this fall (assuming the release month are almost the same) The Delphihater is not this bad - his message is a more business related message but with arguments on the technical level. This has its reasons, but makes the whole blog little hard to understand. Don't damn this man ... also if he is not always correct, because he/she (I don't know) has deserved a lot. The message on the more technical level is more or less - a) don't rely on Delphi and third parties and await that such a combination will outperform more likely approaches - for example Web (think back a few years ...) b) Be careful when choosing third-parties because the risk is still that the moment the source code goes out of the house .... copy .... copy ... If his/her way of argumentation is helpful ... is another story. What we maybe see as offence is from his/her point a it is a warning ... and he is not only active in the context of former Borland products:). If it is wise in general to use what biggest vendors ship ... I would not be here if I would believe that MS is the developers friend nor I do believe Apple is it. Wolves are very corteous when they want to attract people and are willing to give away every sole for 5ct if there is one licence more to sell. Mike/Bunny
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