May 31, 2006
DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
Let's make things clear up front. I've been a fan of InterBase (a database really ahead of its time and still ahead of many of its competitors) and I've grown very fond of Firebird, a database I use more frequently than InterBase these days. Same architecture, plus an open source project (really and fully open source, unlike MySQL) that's alive and kicking. And it's free, and this can help. Both provide a great back end for Delphi client/server applications and for many other languages as well. Small footprint and minimal multi-OS installation make it look so much better Microsoft's recent free SQL Server Express... but I digress.
Now what triggered this post was a rather cryptic message in non-tech by Ivan Cruz titled "Bridges are being rebuild?" and containing only a link to the last post by Malcolm Groves about the coming Australian Delphi Users Group meeting. The reason is that the event sees a speech by Helen Borrie, of Firebird book fame, and Malcolm praises her presence. Now this is a very subtle clue about a possible change in the relationship between the InterBase crew (part of DevCo) and its open-source twin.
However, this will certainly be an interesting test of the openess of DevCo to its own community. It was Borland that open-sourced its own database. It is Delphi developers who are using Firebird in large numbers. There were personal fights in the past, but this was in the past. I fully agree it is now time to rebuild this bridge and find a way to collaborate for the developers of the two tools (to the benefit of their user communities, which in reality is a single one). I don't know exactly how, but anything would be better than just ignoring and occasionally bashing each other!
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DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
The choice to ignore Firebird at all costs has definitely hurt Borland's credibility, and the mere presence of Firebire deeply undermines any value left in Interbase. Why pay for Interbase when Firebird is free and rapidly advancing with features that make it preferable in many cases (create or alter is a WONDERFUL operation)? How do you value Interbase for sale while Firebird is competing on terms that Borland could never hope to match? It is obvious why Borland tried to pretend Firdbird doesn't exist, but I seriously doubt that DevCo has the same luxory here, as any potential buyer is going to have serious questions, and any attempt to shut firebird down would alienate a LOT of people, so that's probably never going to happen. No, I expect to see Interbase fade and an alliance with the Firebird team built in its place. And long past time for it if you ask me.Comment by Xepol on May 31, 06:04
DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
Firebird has growing user base, but it's missing support by large and trusted company. DevCo will be large company, with expirienced managment, developers, R&D... But it needs user support to survive. DevCo should support Firebirid, donate some code and share some ideas. And Firebird will create market for DevCo. It's clear - even from my desktop.Comment by dmajkic on May 31, 11:42
DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
Hi Marco, Obviously I can't speak for everyone in the company, but personally, part of what excites me about Devco is that it's a chance for a fresh start in a whole bunch of areas. I would much rather focus on the realities of the market today, and what we can do to help customers be successful within those realities. If we do that, then Devco will be successful. It's a waste of energy to be focussed on what happened and who said what to whom in the past. Oh, and thanks for helping promote the ADUG Symposia. Why don't you come? Australia isn't THAT far away ;-) Cheers MalcolmComment by Malcolm Groves [http://blogs.borland.com/MalcolmGroves/archive/2006/05/29/24986.aspx] on June 2, 04:26
ADUG Symposia
Malcolm, I appreciate your clarification. I was invited to Australia for the event this year, but had family problems, maybe next year!Comment by Marco Cantù [http://www.marcocantu.com] on June 3, 07:55
DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
The season for change may be nearing, but it sure isn't here yet. I just attended one of the "Developer Studio 2006 World Tour" world tour events, spending several hours in the presence of Anders Ohlssen. (There's a <a href ="http://www.thecodecave.com/article155" title="Impressions of the Developer Studio 2006 World Tour">write up</a> of it on my site if you're interested.) During the session, the progression from BDE through DataSnap to ADO Data Providers was discussed in detail. Several times, Anders provided a list of databases you could connect to through ADO. Firebird was conspicuous in its absense. Not once was Firebird mentioned. I beleive it would have been the height of impropriety to ask if there was a Firebird ADO. Which, of course, <a href="http://firebird.sourceforge.net/index.php? op=devel&sub=netprovider" title="The Firebird ADO data provider on SourceForge">there is</a>. It's a shame and as far as it goes, very uncharacteristic of Borland (at least the Borland of the past)...Comment by Brian Layman [http://TheCodeCave.com] on June 4, 06:22
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DevCo, InterBase, and Firebird
Comment by Carlos H. Cantu [http://www.firebirdnews.org] on May 31, 03:28