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September 19, 2016

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available

Today, Embarcadero has released the first update of RAD Studio, Delphi, and C++Builder 10.1 Berlin, with many quality enhancements and some new features.

posted by marcocantu @ 7:51AM | 53 Comments [0 Pending]

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Very Good！ The Speed Is Too Slow！

Comment by GOod GOod Study，DayDayUp on September 19, 08:13

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 I found the download to be fast, considering how big
it is!

Comment by Ken Randall on September 19, 09:18

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 But be aware that when using the Web install you do
lose your 3rd party packages :(

Comment by Ken Randall on September 19, 09:42

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 "The Embarcadero Developer Community has been 
asking for fewer major releases, with and perhaps 
higher quality, higher frequency with minor releases. 
Berlin 10.1 Update 1 is part of our new delivery 
model. "

This is great news ! I don't mind paying an annual 
fee but I hate the new versions every year which 
cause havoc for me in needing to re-purchase and 
test (and also wait for) 3rd party components, while I 
feel my current version of Delphi has been 
abandoned.

Comment by olivier beltrami [http://www.qppstudio.net] on September 19, 09:57

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Jezzes guys we are writing 2016, and you still release
something like this.
"Before installing Update 1 you need to uninstall the
RTM version of Berlin, even if the GetIt based
installer doesn't prompt you to do so. You should be
able to retain your configuration and installed
third-party packages."

You should.... OMG so it's a lottery, maybe it'll
work, or not. You wast so many developers time and my
money when you release updates which requires
uninstallation - it is as usual doomed to fail, and
we'll to reinstall all our 3party sw, fix the system
environment path again etc etc. Sigh.  

Comment by Henrik on September 19, 10:03

Still having to do complete uninstall first... 

Why are we still having to do a complete uninstall? 
Wasn't this new install technology supposed to make 
the process less painful? It's actually even more 
annoying now because of the package manager, 
because you have to wait for all of the get-it packages 
to uninstall too...

Comment by Michael S. on September 19, 10:06

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 RSP-14914 still not resolved. It is disappointing
that this problem is not given the priority it deserves.

Comment by on September 19, 10:09

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 This is,what I can't believe.
Uninstall whole productivity configuration and packages including 
third party and reinstall, and all that manually.
Can someone explain, what is the problem on creating an 
useable updating system.

Sorry, but I'm afraid of it.

Comment by D. Roemermann on September 19, 10:38

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 I have just another question to Marco Cantu or any other 
who knows it :

Does anybody know, if the uninstall process would clean up its
installation data and program files of previous version, which 
can be no less than about 100 GB on installation drive, even 
when TEMP folder is on program installation drive?

Please let me know, because moving Windows TEMP to 
another drive may be good for RAD installation, but not for 
the rest of any computer system.

Thanks!

Comment by D. Roemermann on September 19, 11:15

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Is this true????????

  But be aware that when using the Web install you do
lose your 3rd party packages :(

Comment by R Poseika on September 19, 12:48

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Marco,

Could you please clarify for me:

"...you need to uninstall the RTM version of Berlin"

What is RTM version and how do I know if I have it? 

"You should be able to retain your configuration and installed 
third-party packages."

There seems to be some doubt as to whether my libraries & 
packages will be retained?  Will they or not - I really can't face 
having a full re-install for what is essentially an upgrade.

Thanks

Comment by Stuart [] on September 19, 13:12

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

To keep your settings between Berlin RTM (this is the name we give 
to the original version of the product, before updates) and Update 1 I 
recommend using the Migration Tool (found in Windows Start menu 
for 10.1 Berlin), save a snapshot of the configuration in the registry to 
a file, and later re-import the configuration.

Going to try it out and blog about it ASAP. 

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 19, 13:41

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 for me the migration tool is not working.
It stops in the middle with 
"File not found"
I have solved my problem with export the registry 
keys from BDS 18 and import back after reinstall.
(Thanks god i'm on a VM)
The install process should be reviewed

Comment by Friedrich Westermann on September 19, 14:23

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Web Installer did not install right. Be aware 

Comment by Carsten Bartholomae on September 19, 15:11

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Incredible that we need to uninstall a Delphi product to just do an 
upgrade to service pack 1.  We're in 2016!

"You should be able to retain your configuration and installed third-
party packages."

After doing the procedure all components and packages were gone, 
minimum 1 day to reinstall them all :-(

Comment by Stijn Verrept [] on September 19, 15:16

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

One thing that has always slightly confused me is the difference 
between 'Update Subscription' and 'Annual maintenance'. We don't 
have what is listed on our invoice as 'Update Subscription' but we 
have always paid for 'Annual maintence'. As this update specifically 
states: 'To be eligible for Update 1, you need to have an active Update 
Subscription. If you are not an active Update Subscription customer, 
you cannot install Subscription Update 1' does this mean that 
although we pay annual maintenace we are not eligible now for this 
download? Or is an active update subscription included in our annual 
maintenace?

Comment by Trevor Bradley [] on September 19, 15:23

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If you are using the migration tool and you did not install to C:, 
you have to create a Users\<username>  structure [adjust for 
your OS,older windows did it slightly differently] on the same 
drive  used for Delphi - fixes the file not found problem.

Sloppy work for the migration tool.  I'm pretty sure I filed a bug 
for it, but it might be lost in the old system.  I'll recreate it in the 
new system later today.


And since the migration tool is such an utter mess, (I have 
found it really useless - you are better off hand editing a 
registry export)  Why exactly does the new installer need us to 
uninstall??  A real waste of time just to replace files.   Shut 
down the interbase service and ADB, if they are there, and 
replace the files guys.

Comment by C Johnson on September 19, 15:33

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 Is the link to the What's New Release notes correct?

Comment by Mark on September 19, 15:50

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

When will be released Update 1 (or hotfix) with iOS 10
support for users without Subscription?

Comment by Sergey Pyankov on September 19, 16:48

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 For a follow up on migrating your setting see Blog post "Using 
Migration Tool to Move Your Settings to Update 1" at 
http://blog.marcocantu.com/blog/2016-september-
migrationtool_update1.html (link below).

Comment by Marco Cantu [Blog post "Using Migration Tool to Move Your Settings to Update 1" at http://blog.marcocantu.com/blog/2016-september-migrationtool_update1.html] on September 19, 17:20

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Carsten Bartholomae, we installed it on many machines and it 
worked fine. Which specific issue do you see? BTW, I recommend 
asking support for install issues

Stijn Verrept, sorry about that. I realized too late about the issue. I 
have posted a separate blog post with steps now... but I know this is 
too late for you.

Trevor Bradley, update subscription and annual maintenance are two 
names of the same thing. You need to have it current (not expired) to 
have access to Update 1.

C Johnson, replace files? We install over 70,000 total -- not as easy at 
it might seem

Sergey Pyankov, not sure what you mean for "users without 
subscription". Subscription is mandatory in Berlin and support for a 
new version of an OS is exactly the reason we went in that direction...

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 19, 17:44

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> Sergey Pyankov, not sure what you mean for "users
without subscription". Subscription is mandatory in
Berlin and support for a new version of an OS is
exactly the reason we went in that direction...

I mean the same as
http://cc.embarcadero.com/item/30278 or PAServer
hotfix for importing iOS 10 SDK (see example at
http://cc.embarcadero.com/item/30398).

Comment by Sergey Pyankov on September 19, 18:18

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 What happens if you install without uninstalling
first?  I doing it now so I guess I will find out.

Comment by JC on September 19, 18:53

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Sergey, 

last year developers could buy XE8 and 10 Seattle without update 
subscription, and they got into issues when the Update 1 was released 
as they were not entitled. We partially rectified it.

This year, customers who bought 10.1 Berlin have also got Update 
Subscription, as it is now mandatory. Given it was released less than 
a year ago, they all qualify to receive the update.

Other customer received Berlin as they were already under 
Subscription, and will also receive Update 1 unless they let their 
subscription expire.

This is why I don't get the problem... 

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 19, 20:28

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

I bought Delphi Berlin 10.1 earlier this month but
cannot download the update 1 as I'm "not authorized!"
Really? I thought it included the "update
subscription" ???

Comment by Trevor R on September 19, 21:33

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Trevor,

we do have an issue with one of the recent SKUs, so some customers 
cannot get the update they are entitled to. While this is getting fixed, 
you can contact support to receive the download link. 

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 20, 08:51

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 Marco

Thanks for the explanation re 'Update subscription' and 'Annual 
maintenance'. I did think that was the case, that they were one and the 
same. Just wanted to make sure! But thanks for the confirmation.

Trevor

Comment by Trevor Bradley on September 20, 09:10

Uninstall required it's hard !!! 

Hello,

I add my voice to tell how I'm unhappy to have to reinstall my 
entire RadStudio with all components to have an update.
When we said we want less release, it's not just we don't want to 
pay too often and also have to buy component upgrades, it's also to 
do not have to reinstall the entire environment every time.
I consider upgrading my Delphi cost me at least a half-day of 
work, it's quite expensive if I have to do it 3/4 times per year.
Then I will not install this update until I meet an issue fixed by it, 
with hope it will not append before the next release.

Please improve your upgrading process, at least for update pack 
and minor version.

Comment by Laurent NAVARRO [] on September 20, 09:32

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I have not used Berlin 10.1 hoping RSP-14895 would be fixed in 
Update 1.  Still not fixed, still not using Berlin.  I probably should 
state I won't and can't use any new version until this is fixed.  

Comment by Tom Birch on September 20, 14:44

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 Will an uninstall/install through the .ISO (and/or migration tool) 
preserve libraries, packages, and components? There seems to be 
some doubt as to whether they will be retained.

Comment by Andrew Niese on September 20, 15:41

Setup feedback 

I ran offline installer on top of my existing installation. The result 
was - most of the RAD program files had vanished, including the 
icons in the start menu!
I had to uninstall, then install RAD Studio again.
Very odd setup...

p.s. It seems to me that RAD Studio is starting up slower. On SSD. 
May be it's because of increased security checks? If yes, let these 
checks happen in *background*, minute or two after the IDE startup 
has completed. This way user experience will be better.  

Comment by Petar on September 20, 19:03

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Marco, just one remark, why you didn't make the update 1 like a 
new product, with it's own directory ? like 

/seattle/
/berlin/
/berlin update 1/

and after if everything is ok, user can uninstall the /berlin/ ... 
because their can be many thing in the update 1 that will maybe 
not work with your code (like you remove some very usefull bug 
for exemple ;) and  you can loose your week to reinstall everything 
from scratch

Comment by loki on September 20, 22:31

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

In several projects the batch compilation (using 
multiple cores) fails with the new update ([MSBuild 
Fehler] The "FindItems" task was not given a value for 
the required parameter "Filenames".). Without batch 
compilation it works.

Comment by Holger on September 21, 07:06

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Several answers....

Tom, about RSP-14895 we know it is critical. It is currently 
scheduled for Update 2. The underlying issue is an RTTI issue.

Loki, installing in a different folder won't make a difference, as 
Update 1 uses the same runtime packages of the original Berlin 
release. If we change the runtime packages, all components will 
become incompatible. The option you have is to install the Update in 
a different VM, although that will use one your registrations -- 
something support can bump up for you if needed.

Holger, that's a bit worrisome and something I wasn't aware of, can 
you please report it on Quality Portal? While I clearly monitor my 
blog comments, it is not ideal to discuss issues and track them... feel 
free to email me the link to the bug to expedite processing.

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 21, 07:15

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 During the install (ISO) also the Android SDK was installed. Now 
I've installed Abbrevia 10.1 from GetIt Package Manager where I was 
informed that Android SDK has to be installed as a prerequisite. Now 
what? I confirmed OK and now I hope that the Abbrevia 10.1 
installer has not overwritten my possibly newer Android SDK 
installed by the RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 installer!?

Marco, can you please clarify?

Comment by Peter on September 21, 12:05

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 This bug is still not fixed in Update 1: After starting the IDE, when 
opening the GetIt Package Manager it shows only 34 items. Only the 
SECOND time opening the GetIt Package Manager it shows all 
items!! Please fix this bug!

Comment by Peter on September 21, 12:18

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What is needed to buy if you own a license for 
BERLIN 10.1 and want to get this update? I can't  
find any page on EMB pointing to this kind of 
license

Comment by Donald Shimoda on September 21, 13:46

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 I tried a little experiment. I tried to do the update
without uninstalling GExperts, CnPack and IDEFixPack.
Lost them all and needed to reinstall. NBD but still a
little frustrating, but, who knows if it is possible
to if it will ever be possible. It is roughly the
equivalent to changing a flat tire on a car while
driving down the road -- possible but with great
difficulty.

TTFN

Comment by Darryl Patenaude on September 21, 14:05

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 Re query by D. Roemermann about clean up, moving
usage of temp folder to another drive, etc., I have
done some tests using a test box. There are tons of
things not removed during an uninstall of RAD Studio
10 and 10.1. And while it is probably inconsequential
if you are going to reinstall, I still find the lack
of thoroughness of the deinstallation process
bothersome. In short, my expectation is when I remove
a product such as RAD Studio from my system, I expect
all of the bits and pieces to be gone for good and not
finding entries in the registry, files and folders
left behind.

TTFN

Comment by Darryl Patenaude on September 21, 14:14

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 Hello,

My experience. Don't use GetIt based installer 
This :
> the new GetIt based installer at
http://cc.embarcadero.com/item/30613

Because (even after full uninstallation of previous
version) :
1) It's failed at Java developper package version 8
"Error loading" without more information.
2) It's doesn't ask the path where to install Delphi !

Best regards,
Fabrice

Comment by Fabrice on September 21, 16:02

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

When I try to download the iso via the link you
provided it always claims my account is not authorized
to get this. But I have a Berlin 10.1 Pro named user
licence installed. But in the IDE it also doesn't show
the name it is registered on in the about dialog.

What's wrong? 

Comment by Markus on September 21, 17:02

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Donald, if you buy a license of Berlin today you get the Update 1 
version directly.

Markus, due to an issue on the web site (CodeCentral) some of the 
valid licenses don't allow downloading, something we hope to fix 
soon. I think there is an alternative download link (at list for the Web 
installer). You can also ask support.

 

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://www.marcocantu.com] on September 21, 21:07

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 To Darryl Patenaude :
Thanks for informations,

To Marco Cantu :
Thanks for elemination, may be critic has been to hot,
but it is even hard if you are using the 10.1 in an
active 
 production developement process on one side and need
bug fixes from Update 1 on the other side.
At that time a update procedure like is... not that,
what I need, if you have no time to check out and test
update procedure.
May be you can understand, that the first reaction is,
I am 
incensed about this bad good news, before a
productive criticism can come up.

So let me say at last: 
We (users of RAD Studio) need better solution
for installation of Updates.
And, as more as we know about the problems
and difficulties, we can find our own solutions 
or help other to get through.

Best regards D.

Comment by D. Roemermann on September 21, 22:04

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

It's a bit inconvenient (read: a lot) to have to
manually uninstall the software, and then reinstall
the new version.

Why can't the software take care of this for us? 

Even paint.net, and notepad++ can do it,. using
external executables / reinstallers,. surely Rad
studio could use a special installer for updates so
the user does not have to worry about doing everything
in the right order?

Comment by Thomas on September 22, 13:31

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Marco, I'm a subscriber to RX Enterprise, yesterday ins
installed Update 1 from ISO ok, but when I started RX,
RX, the license manager told me that "An Update Sub
Subscription for Embarcadero...is required which has exp
expired prior to this release". 
Well, I renewed my subscription in June, but the li
license manager says that my XE8 (!) license expired in
in June 2016, instead of 2017. Filed a support case ye
yesterday, but no response yet. Sent a new one today an
and waiting for support. (Yes, I have run License Ma
Manager|Update, but the expiration date was not mo
moved forward).
I had the same experience last year when I installed a
and tried to run Seattle, so something is broken with y
your subscription renewal process. 
Hopefully my license will be fixed in an hour or so, 
but thinking about the strange reuse of time limited 
XE8 serials, with an expiration date that has to be 
manually moved forward every year - what will 
happen if Emba is gone? After one year it will be 
impossible to reinstall old products! So please, quit 
this reuse of XE8 serials and give subsribers a new 
time unlimited serial for each new version of RX.

Comment by Lars Gustafsson [] on September 23, 12:04

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@Lars, that's DRM,. often more of a hindrance to
paying customers than pirates.

It's an interesting topic to cut into sometime,. but
it may be best if Marco creates a topic about it
first,. so we don't veer too far off-topic here.

Comment by Thomas on September 26, 07:08

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Hi Marco,
I am a owner of Delphi Pro 10.1 Berlin, my update
subscription expired back in July and did not receive
the renewal notice. I reached out to the relevant
Sales rep a week ago to renew. They still waiting for
the quotation from Embarcadero (?).
From your reply to Donald Shimoda, it seems that the
only option left for me to buy an upgrade or a new
license.
Any help is appreciated.

Karim Kouni.   

Comment by Karim Kouni on September 26, 09:17

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Karim,

  not sure about the process in case we were not contacted to renew. 
You are probably within the time frame to re-activate your existing 
subscription. 

Comment by Marco Cantu [http://twitter.com/marcocantu] on September 26, 09:41

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 Hi Marco,

I am not quite sure how to do that. Can you provide
some insights.

Comment by Karim Kouni on September 26, 10:05

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Well,. 10.1 didn't fix the "spazzing out toolbar" yet
it seems,.
I'm guessing someone added a refresh somewhere to a
background compile to check for errors, where there
shouldn't have been one - or at least off screen.

Comment by Thomas on October 4, 14:15

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

Really found this comment a God-send!
 
"for me the migration tool is not working.
It stops in the middle with 
"File not found"
I have solved my problem with export the registry 
keys from BDS 18 and import back after reinstall.
(Thanks god i'm on a VM)
The install process should be reviewed"
Comment by Friedrich Westermann on September 19, 14:23

Thanks Friedrich!
Apropos migration tool one needs to run as supervisor
But, the hammer, a clean saving the bds->18 registry, a clean 
uninstall followed by the iso install dis it for me in 4 hours.
can I send the bill to Emba...

Comment by Morgan Christen on October 6, 19:18

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 1 Available 

 I installed this( RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 18.0 Update
1 ) as as all-in-one go not installed before that is a
fresh install on windows 10 Insider preview 14951. I
discovered that the structure window is empty and
there is no red squiggles to indicate syntax code
errors.There's no intellisense/code completion either.
I have read of a user having the same problem with the
c++ builder and it was attributed to running from
upgrade from earlier windows That's not the case here.
Any suggestions I can not use it as it stands so will
uninstall which is a pity as I only downloaded this 
this morning.

Comment by john on October 22, 08:11

RAD Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 2 ISO 

 Hi. Where can I download or get the official RAD 
Studio Berlin 10.1 Update 2 ISO?

Comment by Shaun [http://shaunroselt.com] on December 1, 07:20